These are depressing days for Manchester United fans. Their season has descended into a veritable queue of teams lining up to beat them for the first time in literally decades, with Stoke City the latest to benefit from this new-found generosity of spirit.
Grim statistics must haunt David Moyes. For instance, on Saturday, Robin Van Persie and Wayne Rooney passed the ball to each other a total of three times. This is not good.
To be fair, Pat Nevin pointed out on Monday night's show that it was extremely windy. And the Britannia Stadium seems to have a unique micro-climate which lends itself solely to the total and utter destruction of free-flowing football.
But three passes between your two best players is bad news. That all three passes occurred at tip-off, is worse again.