As the conversation warms up, Anthony Moyles is getting more and more animated about what Meath must do if they’re ever to close the Grand Canyon that exists between them and Dublin.
"There is no joined-up thinking," reckons Moyles, a veteran of that June 2010 earthquake when the Royals fired five goals past Stephen Cluxton for a surreal 11-point victory that qualifies as Meath's last success over Dublin.
"Look at Dublin and you see a family tree of managers ready to step in. Like Dessie (Farrell) has been knocking around the U-16s, the minors, the 21s – and then all of a sudden he gets the big job. Jim Gavin did the same.
"There's lads who are learning their trade, who know the players ... obviously the county board has a succession plan that’s very strong, whereas I just don’t see it (in Meath).
"I was giving out a couple of weeks ago about the Meath U-20s and the match against Dublin. I was so disappointed when I left Parnell Park that day because that is a good Meath squad. They’re lads who have beaten Dublin teams all the way up underage. And they were handed a terrible hiding.
"If I'm going, 'What's the one big thing Meath has to do for the next 10 years?' you'd be saying, 'Where is the succession plan? Where is the blueprint?'
"And I don't know if it's there. If it’s there, it’s in someone’s drawer because it’s not out in the public domain.
“I don’t see it in how management teams are selected, in how there’s cohesion within management groups and within players and bringing them along.
"Dublin, I believe, already have started with an U-19 squad ... to get them ready for next year. Like, that’s just forward thinking. That doesn't take a whole lot of planning. And it certainly doesn’t take money.
"I think it's very easy for people, especially Meath and Kildare, to say, 'Ah, well look, they've loads of money.' A lot of it is just communication and organisation.
"People will say I'm having a go at the county board – well maybe I am, because it needs a bit of foresight and planning.
"And without it, you might get pockets of quality here and there and you might get one team overachieving, but you won't get a constant stream of teams that are competing."
For all their most recent travails, Moyles has a "glass-half-full" view on Meath's already doomed return to the top flight of the Allianz Football League.
"They've battled really hard in every game. They’ve been extremely unlucky. I think they’ll learn an awful lot of stuff from it," he surmises.
"Andy (McEntee) and his boys are doing their level-best, and Meath football will always be relatively strong.
"It's just that 10-15 years ago Dublin were at the same level ... but now they’re striking in fifth gear whereas we’re trying to push between fourth and fifth every now and again. We need to get into fifth gear and stay in it, and I believe that takes planning.”
Moyles is speaking over a week out from the latest collision of his native Royals and their greatest rivals, in Croke Park on Sunday week.
Five rounds in and they're already relegated even before facing Dublin who, post 2010, have won their five SFC head-to-heads by a cumulative 52 points.
It was a very different place when Moyles first joined Seán Boylan’s panel in late 1999; even though Dublin/Meath was still football's ultimate rivalry, his county was then in the ascendant and made it four wins on the bounce in the 2001 Leinster final.
Prior to that year's All-Ireland meltdown against Galway, a bit like the Dublin of today, Meath were renowned as the team that was never beaten. This 'Meathness' was part of their DNA.
"When you come into that situation, it’s not that it’s specifically spoken about," says Moyles, "but everyone just understood that you kept going right 'til the death.
"Whether it was a drill, a running session, a Hill of Tara session. There was this unwritten rule that you just didn’t stop. He (Boylan) had this famous thing of saying, ‘You know, it won’t kill you’ – but it very nearly did!
"The characteristics of behaviour of the player group just had that. As we went through the middle noughties, you could see that dwindled.
"We were in the qualifiers where we had to dig in, all 15. And you know yourself, if you get three or four lads who might look like they're doing it, but they're not really doing it … then all of a sudden the game slips away from you.
"That Meathness, or that attitude that you’re ‘never bet’, it’s a strange thing to put your finger on.
"You either have it in a squad or you don’t have it, and it's a very hard thing then to engineer ... It's like a cancer. As soon as one guy doesn't do the run or track back, it just spreads.
"And next thing, a three- or four-point deficit becomes a six-, seven-, eight-point deficit and it’s all over."
In fairness, Meath did turn a corner to reach the All-Ireland semi-finals of 2007 (under Colm Coyle) and 2009 (under Eamonn O’Brien). "We were a decent team," Moyles reminds.
But even around then, deep psychological scars were left. He recalls a different approach by management in 2008, a “more challenging environment” for players. Moyles was coming back from groin surgery as Meath played "unbelievable" football against Wexford in the first half of their Leinster SFC quarter-final.
He remembers warming up, thinking, 'I'll never get my place back', but then they collapsed.
"You can never really tell about a squad until you scratch the surface hard. And then there was a lot of fragilities that obviously came through and, as soon as that second half happened, sure we were dead men walking waiting for the Limerick result."
Two years later, perhaps even more damaging, was the fallout from Meath’s last Leinster SFC title after Joe Sheridan’s ‘ghost’ goal to snatch victory from Louth.
"It most definitely had an effect on that squad," Moyles concludes. "Did it have an effect into ’11 and ’12? It had an effect in the sense of Eamonn Barry and Bobby O’Malley fell on their sword.
"And then the new management team came from outside the county,” he adds, alluding to the appointment of Séamus McEnaney with Paul Grimley in tandem.
"There was a lot of conflict between management and between some of the senior players. And that, as you know well, never ends well for anyone."
All of which, in a roundabout way, brings Moyles back to his original point: managers come and go but where is the joined-up thinking?