Abuse trauma will remain forever
Madam -- I have been reflecting on an interview heard between Mary Kenny and Marie Collins. Consequently I have to come down on the side of Mary Kenny. As a survivor of child sexual abuse I have sympathy with Mary Kenny's central theme, which the interviewer and Marie Collins missed.
In my experience of widespread sexual abuse in an industrial school from 1959 to 1967, I witnessed various types of abuse -- not all of it was penetrative sex or oral sex or mutual masturbation as in my own case.
Other boys were not subject to these particular depravities. However, another common practice was sadomasochism where no sexual contact occurred at all. Some of the Christian brothers got a sort of perverse sexual gratification in beating the naked bottoms of boys. They enjoyed the nakedness and fear in the eyes of their crying, helpless and terrified victims.